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	<title>Comments on: Horror: a matter of intent</title>
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	<description>An online webcomic about a group of cowboys/cowgirls and their Zombie herd.</description>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.zombieranchcomic.com/2011/08/24/horror-a-matter-of-intent/comment-page-1/#comment-3902</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think Joel considers it impossible to pull off horror in comics, just that he feels it&#039;s difficult... one of his points was you could have a really terrifying script but maybe the art doesn&#039;t live up to it, or he even got down to the idea that inking it in the wrong way could ruin the effect. He&#039;s got high standards. He also was writing just before The Walking Dead started being published, although he might have just filed that in his &quot;exceptions&quot; cabinet.

I&#039;ve mentioned before how I feel the last truly, relentlessly scary zombie film was also the first (NotLD), and it seems like every zombie movie since has had varying degrees of camp worked in. So yeah, there&#039;s definitely not an automatic hardcore horror expectation from the word &quot;zombie&quot;. I could maybe even go further and say even from the early days of &lt;i&gt;Tales From The Crypt&lt;/i&gt; there&#039;s been a gleeful intermingling of humor and terror... even if the story itself was dead serious, you could count on your ghoulishly grinning host to make some alliterative puns for the epilogue.

Anyhow, as far as listings on horror sites go, sometimes we&#039;re there because the owner(s) have actually invited us, so I figure we can&#039;t be all bad (good?)... that or they didn&#039;t really read the comic, which is possible :D But I figure the worst that happens as a result is someone follows the link, spends a few minutes clicking pages, and decides it&#039;s not for them. No fuss, no muss, no money spent, and only a bit of bother.

And hey, in your case you even found the story worth a read despite not being what you expected, so that&#039;s best of all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Joel considers it impossible to pull off horror in comics, just that he feels it&#8217;s difficult&#8230; one of his points was you could have a really terrifying script but maybe the art doesn&#8217;t live up to it, or he even got down to the idea that inking it in the wrong way could ruin the effect. He&#8217;s got high standards. He also was writing just before The Walking Dead started being published, although he might have just filed that in his &#8220;exceptions&#8221; cabinet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve mentioned before how I feel the last truly, relentlessly scary zombie film was also the first (NotLD), and it seems like every zombie movie since has had varying degrees of camp worked in. So yeah, there&#8217;s definitely not an automatic hardcore horror expectation from the word &#8220;zombie&#8221;. I could maybe even go further and say even from the early days of <i>Tales From The Crypt</i> there&#8217;s been a gleeful intermingling of humor and terror&#8230; even if the story itself was dead serious, you could count on your ghoulishly grinning host to make some alliterative puns for the epilogue.</p>
<p>Anyhow, as far as listings on horror sites go, sometimes we&#8217;re there because the owner(s) have actually invited us, so I figure we can&#8217;t be all bad (good?)&#8230; that or they didn&#8217;t really read the comic, which is possible <img src='http://www.zombieranchcomic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  But I figure the worst that happens as a result is someone follows the link, spends a few minutes clicking pages, and decides it&#8217;s not for them. No fuss, no muss, no money spent, and only a bit of bother.</p>
<p>And hey, in your case you even found the story worth a read despite not being what you expected, so that&#8217;s best of all.</p>
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		<title>By: Back from the Depths</title>
		<link>http://www.zombieranchcomic.com/2011/08/24/horror-a-matter-of-intent/comment-page-1/#comment-3900</link>
		<dc:creator>Back from the Depths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came across Zombie Ranch via those &lt;b&gt;horror webcomic&lt;/b&gt; list sites the internet is littered with.  That combined with the word &#039;Zombie&#039; in your title I made the assumption the story would be heavily horror related. It&#039;s not but that&#039;s cool because it&#039;s not trying to be. 

For a horror whore like myself it&#039;s not what I was after but there are loads of people out there for whom zombie does not necessarily mean horror. They just love anything zombie related so you certainly have a huge target audience who will go wild for Zombie Ranch.

Have to agree with Mr Rubin that speculative fiction is a lame phrase. The word lacks an impact and it seems embarrassed to commit to a genre.

I think horror is difficult to get right but certainly not impossible like Joel Phillips suggests. Your correct that it&#039;s very subjective but Joel is way off the mark that horror fails in comics.

I would also place Zombie Ranch in the sci-fi genre. I&#039;m glad your comfortable in that category.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across Zombie Ranch via those <b>horror webcomic</b> list sites the internet is littered with.  That combined with the word &#8216;Zombie&#8217; in your title I made the assumption the story would be heavily horror related. It&#8217;s not but that&#8217;s cool because it&#8217;s not trying to be. </p>
<p>For a horror whore like myself it&#8217;s not what I was after but there are loads of people out there for whom zombie does not necessarily mean horror. They just love anything zombie related so you certainly have a huge target audience who will go wild for Zombie Ranch.</p>
<p>Have to agree with Mr Rubin that speculative fiction is a lame phrase. The word lacks an impact and it seems embarrassed to commit to a genre.</p>
<p>I think horror is difficult to get right but certainly not impossible like Joel Phillips suggests. Your correct that it&#8217;s very subjective but Joel is way off the mark that horror fails in comics.</p>
<p>I would also place Zombie Ranch in the sci-fi genre. I&#8217;m glad your comfortable in that category.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.zombieranchcomic.com/2011/08/24/horror-a-matter-of-intent/comment-page-1/#comment-3844</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 18:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heh! I was ahead of you in considering that, but it turns out the term Speculative Fiction is a total minefield of its own, mostly due to one Margaret Atwood apparently characterizing her work as speculative fiction rather than that trashy science fiction stuff.

http://www.jamierubin.net/2011/01/25/speculative-fiction-vs-science-fiction/

I do like your point of social science versus science, though, since there&#039;s that whole perception of &quot;soft&quot; and &quot;hard&quot; science in the real world, which corresponds to the idea of &quot;soft&quot; vs. &quot;hard&quot; SF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh! I was ahead of you in considering that, but it turns out the term Speculative Fiction is a total minefield of its own, mostly due to one Margaret Atwood apparently characterizing her work as speculative fiction rather than that trashy science fiction stuff.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jamierubin.net/2011/01/25/speculative-fiction-vs-science-fiction/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jamierubin.net/2011/01/25/speculative-fiction-vs-science-fiction/</a></p>
<p>I do like your point of social science versus science, though, since there&#8217;s that whole perception of &#8220;soft&#8221; and &#8220;hard&#8221; science in the real world, which corresponds to the idea of &#8220;soft&#8221; vs. &#8220;hard&#8221; SF.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if &quot;speculative fiction&quot; would be the apt term.  There&#039;s a clear &quot;what if&quot; element, but it&#039;s driven by the human reaction to the change in the scientific reality as opposed to the scientific details, social science versus science, if you will.

 At this point, we don&#039;t need to see the apocalypse or know its nature, as much as I personally crave those details, for the story to work.  

I&#039;ll have to pass on the Lost question, as all my knowledge of the series is second hand at best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if &#8220;speculative fiction&#8221; would be the apt term.  There&#8217;s a clear &#8220;what if&#8221; element, but it&#8217;s driven by the human reaction to the change in the scientific reality as opposed to the scientific details, social science versus science, if you will.</p>
<p> At this point, we don&#8217;t need to see the apocalypse or know its nature, as much as I personally crave those details, for the story to work.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to pass on the Lost question, as all my knowledge of the series is second hand at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.zombieranchcomic.com/2011/08/24/horror-a-matter-of-intent/comment-page-1/#comment-3842</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, now that I think more about it, maybe we&#039;re right back to science fiction. After all, no one really believed little invisible bugs were carrying disease until we finally had a measuring tool capable of observing them. But there are some definitions of science fiction which require the science to be front-and-center in the story, and that&#039;s not the case here, either, nor do I want it to be. I still do feel most comfortable calling Zombie Ranch SF because at its core its asking a &quot;What If...?&quot; about a world of the future where something major has changed (zombies are real), and the softer definitions of SF fit right into that.

Here&#039;s a question for the class. How would you classify the recent TV Series &quot;Lost&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, now that I think more about it, maybe we&#8217;re right back to science fiction. After all, no one really believed little invisible bugs were carrying disease until we finally had a measuring tool capable of observing them. But there are some definitions of science fiction which require the science to be front-and-center in the story, and that&#8217;s not the case here, either, nor do I want it to be. I still do feel most comfortable calling Zombie Ranch SF because at its core its asking a &#8220;What If&#8230;?&#8221; about a world of the future where something major has changed (zombies are real), and the softer definitions of SF fit right into that.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a question for the class. How would you classify the recent TV Series &#8220;Lost&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.zombieranchcomic.com/2011/08/24/horror-a-matter-of-intent/comment-page-1/#comment-3841</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is part of the reason I mentioned why &quot;occult&quot; was considered a controversial choice by some of the commentators... also for the fact that in its purest sense, &quot;occult&quot; just means &quot;hidden&quot;, which suggests a mystery element that may or may not be present. 

Supernatural is a loaded term as well, since you&#039;re right that the definition &quot;of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe&quot; is about as spiritual as spiritual gets, outside the purview of science. If you can observe and quantify it, and repeat the results, then no matter how bizarre those results are, it would now qualify as part of the natural, scientific world.

However, even though zombies might be visible and observable in the Zombie Ranch world, that doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re part of the natural order in ours, and that&#039;s where we&#039;re coming from in terms of categorizing fiction. So I&#039;d still argue that supernatural or paranormal (or even &quot;dark fantasy&quot;) works, even if occult has problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is part of the reason I mentioned why &#8220;occult&#8221; was considered a controversial choice by some of the commentators&#8230; also for the fact that in its purest sense, &#8220;occult&#8221; just means &#8220;hidden&#8221;, which suggests a mystery element that may or may not be present. </p>
<p>Supernatural is a loaded term as well, since you&#8217;re right that the definition &#8220;of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe&#8221; is about as spiritual as spiritual gets, outside the purview of science. If you can observe and quantify it, and repeat the results, then no matter how bizarre those results are, it would now qualify as part of the natural, scientific world.</p>
<p>However, even though zombies might be visible and observable in the Zombie Ranch world, that doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re part of the natural order in ours, and that&#8217;s where we&#8217;re coming from in terms of categorizing fiction. So I&#8217;d still argue that supernatural or paranormal (or even &#8220;dark fantasy&#8221;) works, even if occult has problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting.  I think the term occult throws me a bit because I associate it with a story possessing a spiritual element, which I don&#039;t see in Zombie Ranch.  It&#039;s one of the interesting things about zombies.  While a zombie story can be spiritual in nature, it doesn&#039;t have to be.  You can have a zombie story based on nature or science run amok.  To do that with vampires or werewolves, you have to do some serious bending of the conventions of the genre...for good or for ill. 
Zombie Ranch seems to be more sci-fi with a healthy dose of social criticism, but maybe that&#039;s because we don&#039;t know the genesis of the actual apocalypse (yet?).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  I think the term occult throws me a bit because I associate it with a story possessing a spiritual element, which I don&#8217;t see in Zombie Ranch.  It&#8217;s one of the interesting things about zombies.  While a zombie story can be spiritual in nature, it doesn&#8217;t have to be.  You can have a zombie story based on nature or science run amok.  To do that with vampires or werewolves, you have to do some serious bending of the conventions of the genre&#8230;for good or for ill.<br />
Zombie Ranch seems to be more sci-fi with a healthy dose of social criticism, but maybe that&#8217;s because we don&#8217;t know the genesis of the actual apocalypse (yet?).</p>
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